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  • Sam: is it your intent to make a noise?
  • Mick: intent:
  • Mick: intent
  • Mick: motive:
  • Mick: motive
  • Mick: look em up.
  • Sam: my intent was to make her feel good
  • Mick: why?
  • Sam: i was motivated by my love for her
  • Mick: that would be your motive.
  • Mick: right.
  • Sam: = inocent
  • Mick: if you accidentally made her feel good, you had no motive at all.
  • Mick: 'cos you can't be motivated to do something accidentally.
  • Mick: you're intention has motivation.
  • Sam: BUT motive and acutality are diffrent
  • Mick: purpose has reason.
  • Mick: acutality ... what is that?
  • Sam: i intend to make a woman feel good my movtive is her feeling good
  • Sam: the actuality is i rape her
  • Mick: uh, no ...
  • Sam: my motive and intent are NOT the actuality
  • Sam: my motive and intent are pure
  • Mick: no.
  • Sam: the actuality aren't
  • Mick: rape is a power thing.
  • Sam: my motive is fine
  • Sam: my intent is fine
  • Mick: nope. you rape intentionally raped her.
  • Sam: no
  • Mick: you gave her sex against her will.
  • Mick: intentionally.
  • Sam: i make her feel good that is my intent
  • Mick: nope, that might be your motive, but you intentionally gave her sex against her will.
  • Sam: it's is hard to judge a person's intent
  • Mick: not really.
  • Sam: you can't say what they "intend"
  • Mick: uh, you can say what they do.
  • Sam: THAT is actuality
  • Mick: if you were there with a camera recording it, it would be quite clear.
  • Sam: no motive and intent is internal and therefor a camara couldn't caputre that
  • Mick: nope. intent is did they do it. yes or no.
  • Mick: did they do it on purpose.
  • Mick: did they intend to do the act?
  • Sam: so you intended to break the law when you jay walked
  • Mick: nope. it was an accident.
  • Mick: i did not do it on purpose.
  • Sam: how did you do it on accident?
  • Mick: if a camera recorded it, you would see that we did not notice the red light, we simply looked to see if there were any cars. which there weren't. so we crossed. we didn't intentionally cross against the light.
  • Mick: we crossed, illegally. but without intent.
  • Mick: accidentally.
  • Mick: and, we were not motivated to do so.
  • Sam: right rape ... i MENT to give her pleasure
  • Sam: she said no as an act
  • Sam: but my INTENT was her pleasure
  • Sam: i didnt' "intentionally" hurt her
  • Mick: if you're really making that argument you are drunk.
  • Mick: it makes no sense.
  • Sam: intent is internal
  • Mick: she said no, you fucked her. end of story.
  • Sam: subjective
  • Sam: so if you intened to call some one a name you and it hurts that persons feeelings you INTENDED to emotionally hurt that person
  • Sam: internt and outcome are differnt
  • Mick: therefore, there's no mistaking someone intending to give someone a disease if, in fact, they intend to do so..
  • Mick: as opposed to someone who accidentally does so.
  • Sam: that's your point
  • Mick: therefore, as i said, if you intend to do harm someone ... you're fucked up. and anti social.
  • Sam: i never said someone wasn't messed up
  • Mick: good.
  • Sam: my point was that they were making a broken desions from a broken place
  • Mick: good.
  • Mick: and so ...
  • Sam: but intent is WAY diffrent from actuality
  • Mick: not usually.
  • Sam: i intend to make love to a girl NOT give her a baby
  • Mick: how many calls do you INTEND to make tomorrow?
  • Sam: intent sex actuality baby
  • Mick: how many people do you intend to kill tomorrow?
  • Mick: what we intend to do is USUALLY closer to what we do.
  • Mick: do you intend to pray tomorrow?
  • Mick: you probably will.
  • Sam: i intend to spell correctly every time
  • Mick: no you don't.
  • Sam: i INTEND to treat naomi correcly
  • Mick: define correctly.
  • Mick: you'll do most of what you TRULY intend to do.
  • Sam: same way i do with spelling
  • Mick: not wish, intend.
  • Mick: not hope.
  • Mick: intention is really different.
  • Sam: really so if moica's feelings get hurt because of something you said you INTENDED that
  • Sam: ?
  • Mick: probably more than i want to admitl
  • Sam: you think i spell wrong on purpose?
  • Mick: nope.
  • Mick: but that has nothing to do with what you really intend to do.
  • Sam: so i intend to spell correctly
  • Mick: not just what will happen by default.
  • Mick: NO you don'.t
  • Sam: so intent is diffrent that actuality
  • Mick: i didn't intend to mix up my apostrophe and period.
  • Mick: intent creates more actuality.
  • Sam: i intend to log off i am motivated by sleep
  • Mick: right. very intentional.
  • Mick: create it.
  • Mick: do what your motivation intends you to do.
  • Mick: and so it will be done.
  • Sam: i am motivated by perftion i intend to be perfect
  • Mick: good.
  • Sam: and it will NOT be done
  • Mick: that will certainly get you closer.
  • Sam: judging someone by motive and what actually happens are two diffrent things
  • Mick: i never said to judge motive.
  • Mick: i said, very clearly, fuck their motive.
  • Sam: yes you did
  • Sam: you talked about intened to give disease
  • Mick: no, i said, if they rub shit all over ... make them eat it. fuck why they did iut.
  • Mick: yes. because accidents happen.
  • Mick: if they did it with intent--fuck em.
  • Mick: regardless of why.
  • Mick: if it was an accident, oops. let it go.
  • Sam: intent dosen't equal cause
  • Sam: so you ment to get my kids sick?
  • Mick: nope. accident.
  • Sam: you intended to come to my house sick
  • Mick: see above.
  • Sam: you knew you had germs and were spreding them
  • Mick: yep. but i didn't mean to get anyone else sick.
  • Sam: same with smeering poop
  • Sam: i inteneded to put poop on the seat not to get anyone sick
  • Sam: knowingly spreading my germs around = intent
  • Mick: nope. i expended no effort to get anyone sick.
  • Mick: i licked no glasses ... licked no video game controllers ... sneezed on no phones ..
  • Sam: being sick and coughing in the same vasinity is knowing spreding germs
  • Mick: next time i know.
  • Mick: no intent.
  • Mick: no motive.
  • Mick: accident.
  • Mick: woops.
  • Sam: same thing
  • Sam: with poo
  • Mick: nope.
  • Sam: sure
  • Mick: nope.
  • Mick: nope.
  • Mick: nope.
  • Sam: kids didn't have a choice of what air to beath
  • Mick: nope.
  • Mick: nope.
  • Sam: my point exactly
  • Sam: no one had to chose to use that stall
  • Sam: my kids had less choice to breath the contaninated ari
  • Sam: air
  • Mick: ok. so i will lick the glasses of your kids and they can just use the ones i don't lick.
  • Mick: same thing.
  • Mick: i didn't say people can't poop in the proper place.
  • Mick: so i will sneeze onto door handles, cups, phones, video games controllers ...
  • Sam: well did you know you were sick?
  • Mick: that's the same.
  • Sam: and that by being around people you might get them sick?
  • Mick: i didn't know a sore throat was airborne. no.
  • Sam: with coughing and all?
  • Mick: i really did not know it was airborne.
  • Sam: maybe someone didn't know that about poop
  • Mick: i would not intentionally get someone sick.
  • Sam: now you are judging MOTIVE
  • Mick: uh, you're making less sense.
  • Mick: someone didn't know about poop.
  • Mick: ok.
  • Mick: right.
  • Sam: who knows
  • Mick: let's guess.
  • Sam: i'm not saying i know what someone else knows or doesn't know
  • Mick: cool.
  • Sam: really you didn't know that coughing *might* spread germs?
  • Sam: or sneezing?
  • Mick: so you don't punish your kids without a full examination of what they intended to do, eh?
  • Mick: good for youl
  • Mick: very thorough.
  • Sam: so you are saying you just learned that a cold is contagious from coughing or sneezing?
  • Sam: or porximity?
  • Mick: i always thought it was passed by contact (i.e., shaking hands).
  • Mick: so you think i intended to get your kids sick? and that my going to work is the equivalent of rubbing shit on a public toilet?
  • Mick: wow.l
  • Mick: you're genuis.
  • Mick: er, genius.
  • Sam: no i'm saying i'm not judging motives
  • Mick: intention.
  • Mick: they intended to make that stall unusable.
  • Sam: your motive was to come to work actuality *might* have been giving my kids sick
  • Mick: i did not intend to get anyone sick.
  • Sam: same with the poops smeerer
  • Sam: i'm saying judging MOTIVE is hard
  • Mick: MIGHT make them sick is different than disabling a toilety.
  • Mick: NOT when you rub shit all over somethingl.
  • Sam: coughing germs in the air
  • Mick: fuck off. you're nuts.
  • Sam: no way
  • Sam: to get shit you got to touch it
  • Mick: yeah, wait 'til i shit on the floor tomorrow.
  • Sam: to breath airborne germs you just have to breath
  • Sam: but you have already said that that means to spread sickness
  • Mick: i won't intend to bother anyone with it ... i'll just shit on the floor.
  • Mick: it might be gross, but it won't stop any normal activity.
  • Sam: see above
  • Sam: you've already said it is = to spreading sickness
  • Mick: nope. just wanna shit on the floor.
  • Mick: no bother.
  • Mick: just shitting.
  • Mick: on the floor.
  • Mick: or spitting.
  • Mick: i'll spit on the wall.
  • Mick: no biggy.
  • Mick: that's cool
  • Sam: now you are contridicting what you've said before
  • Mick: no social contract.
  • Mick: no expectation. it's just spit.
  • Mick: and shit.
  • Sam: i'm not arguing against a social contract
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